Gene ([info]voland) wrote,
@ 2005-05-03 11:54:00
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"This year will go down in history. For the first in history a civillized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
Adolf Hitler, 1935

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so."
Adolph Hitler: April 11, 1942,

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[info]not_eurotic
2005-05-03 07:04 pm UTC (link)
Hitler was such a nerd.

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[info]hwc
2005-05-03 07:08 pm UTC (link)
If the American people have guns, they'll still be ignorant. If you take away their guns, they'll still be ignorant.

You waste your time on an unimportant issue. Let's fix the REAL problem.

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[info]yesferatu
2005-05-03 07:15 pm UTC (link)
The poor?

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[info]hwc
2005-05-03 07:18 pm UTC (link)
Fuck that, I'm poor now. Having little money and a $6.50/hour job isn't a sin. Not knowing your arse from a hole in the grouind is.

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[info]hwc
2005-05-03 07:18 pm UTC (link)
Not knowing how to spell "ground" is also a sin.

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[info]voland
2005-05-03 07:26 pm UTC (link)
I agree Hal. I like making fun of gun control, precisly for that reason. The problem of American society is not guns, it is the underlying mentality and yes yes habitial generational poverty.
In my opinion when people have nothig to lose we run ito sever social problems.

My proposition for a long time has been, legalize all drugs, make crack dealers form companies, tax the shit out of them, and use the generated revenue to fund schools. Also the money saved from teh "War of Drugs" can be used for much needed social reforms.

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[info]the_discourses
2005-05-03 10:26 pm UTC (link)
Nah, that's not the biggest problem. The weird thing in the U.S. is that they don't use enough stick, and too much carrot. For example, in most other countries if you perform poorly in class, you have to repeat the class. This happens to quite a few people, and there's no pitty for it. Here, it's almost unheard of, and instead those that want to do better are given increased chances. Similarly, companies are not punished as much for breaking laws, but given tax breaks and incentives for doing things that would benefit the society, rather than their bottom line.

In both cases, the society doesn't punish strongly enough, and the incentives are such that one can choose not to take them and do just fine. And while some people are ambitious enough to take the better opportunities, most are not, wallowing in their own sloth. If, on the other hand, you threatened punishment, everyone would clean their act up or be cast out of the running. I find it very strange that the educational and economic system in the States is, in some ways, less brutal than the one I experienced in a socialist/communist one.

Punishment for a lack of effort usually gets people moving faster than the offer of a reward for greater effort.

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[info]yesferatu
2005-05-03 11:04 pm UTC (link)
Meh, it's bigger than that.
It's systemic. For some reason, our people are stuck in WE'RE NUMBER 1!!! mode from birth even and especially in the face of opposing proof.

We're not number 1 on:
Education
Health care
National security
Government representation
Standard of living
Job security
Technology
General manufacturing
Research
Law enforcement
Religious tolerence
Vacation time

any number of things eveybody likes...
but for some reason, the WE'RE NUMBER 1!! mentality allows us bully other countries while ignoring our own problems.

America! FUCK YEAH!!

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